Ep. 4 | Understanding the GNM Framework with Dr. Chris Cole

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In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Chris Cole, a Vitalist Chiropractor from Dallas, TX, who is integrating German New Medicine (GNM) into his practice. Dr. Chris shares his philosophy that our bodies are guided by an innate intelligence, with a vital life force that directs healing. He explains how GNM offers a new lens for understanding the mind-body connection and how it can enhance chiropractic care.

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Transcript:

 Ellen: Hello and welcome to the German New Medicine Collective Podcast. This is Ellen. And today I am here with Dr. Chris Cole. Dr. Chris Cole is a vitalist chiropractor in Dallas, Texas, and owner of Rhythm Chiropractic. In his private practice, chiropractic practice and studio, Dr. Chris supports families and individuals in creating greater connection with their bodies.

Ellen: Living innately and bringing conscious attention to the connection between symptoms and lived experiences through the G and M framework and vitalist, vitalistic orientation to life. Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Chris, it's so nice to have you.

Chris: me. Yeah. Thank you for having me.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to for this conversation in lieu of, um, if y'all are listening for anyone who's listening right now, um, Dr.

Ellen: Chris is going to be hosting an intro to G and M event for us and our member space next week, February 24th. So. If you're a member of the Mighty Network space, you can have access to this call, and then, um, there will also be an option to just purchase a ticket for the call, as well as if you want to join with a free trial and see what the GNM Collective is all about, um, you're welcome to do that as well.

Ellen: Um, and so, yeah, Dr. Chris, it's great to have you, and I'm excited to dive in today. Um, I'd love to hear just a little bit about you and, um. Yeah, your journey to the work that you do now.

Chris: Yeah, thank you. Um, where to begin? I am a chiropractor. I'm five years into practice. And I guess thinking back, um, just how I came into Germany medicine. school, this whole kind of concept or idea that there's this inherent innate intelligence of the body really struck me from very early on in chiropractic school.

Chris: Um, had gone into my program thinking I, you know, wanted to work with athletes or do more like sports. Medicine type work. And, I had a couple of experiences towards the end of my first year that just totally changed what I thought I knew about healing, spirituality, the body, the unseen, all of it really just shifted very drastically and. Maybe halfway through chiropractic school back in I don't know 2018 or 2019 was the first time I had heard about Germany medicine Maybe somebody had shared something on Instagram and I was like, oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense It was very much like oh, yeah that totally resonates. And so I don't know I don't think I had given it any other attention up until know, maybe this past summer very seriously is when I, you know, kept seeing things about Germany medicine and, um, you know, it was one of those experiences where something really resonates.

Chris: And it was like, okay, I'm going to go all in on this. And, um, yeah, so that's kind of how I got to where I am today. My chiropractic practice is very much. Meant to be, um, serving and supporting the principle of chiropractic as it was originally intended and recognizing it and acknowledging the, the vital life force and the innate intelligence within.

Chris: So, um, 2 are very resonant and go hand in hand together. And, um, yeah, I've been just kind of slowly integrating the language and the framework of German medicine into my practice recently. So,

Ellen: Cool. Awesome. Yeah. And, and within your bio, as I was kind of reading it, I noticed the kind of vitalist, um, language. And I'm curious if you could shed some light for the listeners, kind of like what that principle or, um, ideology, um, is. Like how, how that is factored into your practice and how you utilize that as a tool.

Ellen: What is it for people who don't know?

Chris: Well, it's, uh, it's funny and it's also kind of sad that I even have to the acknowledgement that I'm a vitalistic chiropractic because chiropractic is inherently vitalistic and most chiropractors don't, um, recognize that piece of it. So I, that's part of why I put it in there, but. Vitalistic or vitalism really just refers to the acknowledgement that there's this vital life force within all animate things. traditionally in chiropractic, this idea that the, you know, the nervous system is the primary conduit through which this vital life force works. And that's not necessarily unique to chiropractic.

Chris: You hear that in yoga and a lot of the kind of spiritual or, um, subtle. Paths or practices of the East. And so chiropractic has a very similar understanding. And, um, for me and how I've oriented myself to Germany medicine so far, it's like, okay, these are both beautiful vitalistic orientations or vitalistic understandings for how the body works and how really how life works and how we experience orient ourselves to life. Um, and so in terms of, you know, working as a, as a chiropractor and a practitioner, it's really interesting. It's because I'm not anything to, to people. I'm not, um, trying to fix them. I'm not trying to, you know, allopathize them. It's very much. ultimately bringing attention back to this kind of central that's within all of us.

Chris: And it happens through attention. It happens through movement, through breath, and kind of using a combination of all of those things and the adjusting process to help facilitate that connection, you could say. Yeah,

Ellen: Cool. Yeah. Thank you for describing that. Um, yeah. And I'm curious how it's been for you learning GNM. And, and, um, I, I imagine as you've been learning it, you've been kind of like, Incorporating it, using it as kind of like a lens through which to see the patients that come your way. Um, yeah. What that process has been like for you and, and, and how it's been to learn this tool.

Chris: for sure. I think, there hasn't been much of an unlearning process. I find that to be pretty common for people that I've shared this, this work with. there's a lot of unlearning that has to happen. And for me, a lot of this has felt like, um, truth just like off the bat, you know, I started learning about the five biological laws back this past summer and it was like, Oh yeah.

Chris: Okay. That makes perfect sense. All the way through. And it was, it was very, it was very, um, easy for me to feel into those and to also have direct experience with them. I think that's been my biggest thing so far is like, okay, how can I take this information and then. it and have an experience with it so that it's not just a theory or concept, right?

Chris: I think that is pretty common in the health space is like all this information, but no Practicality and so that's really been my biggest Job that I've given myself is like, okay, how? Experiential can I make this for myself and then the clients that I see my chiropractic practice like really starting to develop Almost like a case study load or like to have these kind of check in moments where it's like, okay.

Chris: Does this match? the laws or does this match what Dr. Homer came up with? And so far it's been very, I mean, very direct, very specific, very like on point with the majority of the people that I work with. And, um, of course those have been very brief interactions so far, but, um, all of it's felt very clean.

Chris: It's felt very easy. I, you know, in chiropractic school, we have a. A pretty big physiology course load. And so it's, it's been quite easy to take the information and learn it. But, um, guess from a principal standpoint, it's been very smooth so far. Yeah, yeah.

Ellen: it's interesting having these conversations in the podcast and then just with like fellow, um, practitioners that I know, um, when the conversation comes to Derma New Medicine, GHK, I do find that there's this resonance of like, Oh yeah, that makes total sense.

Ellen: And, um, for me as someone like my professional background is in nursing and, uh, worked for kind of many years in the allopathic model. I just like always, I just always felt that there was something missing. There was a piece of the puzzle that we were not addressing that was not, I mean, there's a lot that's missing, I think.

Ellen: Um, but. Yeah, like, the psychological piece, like, why is, why is this being completely ignored and, um, I'm really grateful that, you know, while I haven't personally studied or taken any courses in GHK GNM, um, I love the exposure that I'm gaining through this platform, through the collective, and then through being able to have these conversations with people like you who are studying it, um, and just the impact of, you know, like utilizing, for instance, with you in chiropractic, utilizing kind of like different multi, multi tooled approach to, um, the work that you do with people.

Ellen: Um, so I'm just curious, like kind of what your chiropractic practice looks like, um, how you envision and, and what you're excited about, how you're excited about utilizing this tool within your practice.

Chris: Yeah. Um, I think for one, I would say that I, I probably practice much differently than 95 percent plus of chiropractors. And that's not saying that I'm better or worse or it's right or wrong or anything like that. But. Um, I've really taken to heart the attempt to apply kind of its original principles and practice and working with people. And for me, it's like, gives me a very specific way of bringing attention to somebody's lived experience, right? There's like, you hear about this, I think, in kind of the somatic world, this like kind of bottom up experience, right? When you're getting into the body and you're having this embodied experience or like. Kind of feeling into certain things and for me, chiropractic is, does a really beautiful job in doing that. And so G and M just almost compliments it in the way that we're, we're working from the top down, right, where we're kind of bringing this conscious attention or conscious awareness to what we're feeling in our bodies and then matching it to maybe our, our lived experience. something in the past or something more recently and then connecting the dots. And

Ellen: Yeah,

Chris: so I think that's a really, for me, that's a vision that I hold for all of my people. It's like, okay, well, how do we, how do we come into more authenticity? How do we come into more living innately, right? Living from the heart. And, um, far, I found that the two, the two together does a really nice job in supporting that.

Ellen: that's beautiful. Um, and yeah, the, the evolution piece is really interesting, and that's something that I've touched on in previous episodes, like the, um, Um, You know, the option often is like, either you just continue on the, on the path of suffering and like, kind of spiraling in your own. Mess or like you, you are able to evolve and, and sometimes that, you know, the psyche piece isn't always accessible to people.

Ellen: So I love that you brought up the somatic approach as well, because this, you know, through, through the tissues, through our physical body, we can. You know, it can bring up to the surface some things that have happened to us in the past in, in the experiences that we've had prior to, you know, whatever moment that we're in.

Ellen: Um, so I love that as well.

Chris: Yeah, it's, uh, I love the saying. It's like once you, once you see something, you can't unsee it. And so for me, it's like, this is a really nice way of helping people see something

Ellen: Yeah.

Chris: And then that's where the radical responsibility piece comes in. It's like, then they, once you have an awareness of something, it's your choice to, step into something that's different or to, like you said, kind of continue into that, that same patterning.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah, totally. Awesome. Um, yeah, I'm curious for you if you've had any, um, of your own, like, lived experience of, like, the application within your own life, or what you've observed in how this tool can be helpful. Um, yeah, just like, like, kind of the story piece, like, what stories have you observed or experienced yourself, um, within this framework?

Ellen: Mm

Chris: trying to embody was stink conflicts and sneezing I think that's a very easy one that people can get it's like You have an experience of something literally stinking or sucks, or I'm fed up with this. And then moving into that, that healing phase or the epicrisis and having the sneeze like directly afterwards, it's almost, me, it's the easiest one to describe to people on that, that people can get. So for me, was a big one. Um, I think another one that I had pretty quickly afterwards was I was going on a walk down the street and, um, I personally very, very strongly dislike buzzing bugs.

Chris: Like, I don't, I don't know why it's just like. That's always been my thing. And I was walking, I had my headphones in, I was listening to something all of a sudden, I think it was a bee, flew right by my face, like right across the top left side of my forehead. I had a little like kind of momentary reaction and then continued on with the walk. I woke up the next day with a pimple right, literally right where it grazed. And I don't, I don't get pimples ever. Um, so that was a very like lived experience of the quote unquote kind of attack conflict scenario.

Ellen: hmm. So I'm going to take a minute to explain the definition of the term, uh, transcript. So, um, transcript is the abbreviation of the term, uh, transcribe. And uh, transcribe is a form of the form of, uh, uh, transcribing a text in a form of text. So, uh, transcribe is a form of transcribing a text in a form of text.

Chris: I, uh, I did a pretty lengthy sub stack post on this, just kind of like breaking it down, but I can, I can briefly share about it. I, uh, I was in a coffee shop. On a Monday morning and I've had quite a few big like decisions to be made in the past couple of weeks. I have some transitions here in Dallas and with my apartment and, um, trying to launch some of these GM offerings and have quite a bit on my plate. And it was one of those mornings where I was just kind of feeling the weight of it all. And so I could feel my

Ellen: are you? I think you're on mute Um, No, uh, yeah, I'm on mute. So when you're on mute like that, I think it, I think that you're on mute. Um, how are you? I, I'm good, thanks. I'm a little nervous right now because, I've been, you know, having the emergency room ring ring, and you know, I'm nervous to speak because, I, I can't, I've never really I've never really done this, I just spit in my mouth.

Ellen: This is actually pretty good for me. I think it was four or five shots waiting for the ambulance to come.

Chris: Came back in, made like a little game plan and, um, over the course of like the next two or three days, I had called some people, got clarity, felt like really, really solid, like I had resolved something, like felt a lot of relief about the whole situation and kind of what I was, what I was feeling Thursday comes up, um, I started to feel a little bit of inflammation in my left upper eyelid left.

Chris: I've never had a side before anything. I related in my life that I can recall, it started having a little bit of like redness and kind of some, some dry feeling in my, in my left upper eyelid. Friday comes around. Um, started to swell up a little bit. Saturday comes around. I was actually hosting another genome 1 on 1 class in my space.

Chris: My eyelid was like. A third of the way closed. It was so swollen. Went through Saturday. It felt kind of about the same. I woke up Sunday and my upper, my upper eyelid, it was maybe 75 percent down. So I could barely see out of my left eye. Um, super swollen, super inflamed, itchy, a little nodule kind of on the inner part of my eyelid on the top part. And.

Ellen: Okay. Okay. And I'm going to try to make them as little as I can. And if any of those on the right are users of my very own tool and have any questions, uh, for your program, uh, let me show you, uh, my, uh, my results. Let me show you this. I'm going to try to do this a little bit faster. Because you're already seeing it on the screen.

Ellen: Um, so this is the uh, uh, Here's the um, uh,

Chris: and so kind of it up to, um, like a, a, a visual separation conflict, which would have covered the, the skin of the, of the upper eyelid, as well as a visual morsel conflict was kind of what I, what I decided it was because of the night sweats and of other things that ended up coming up.

Chris: And, um, yeah, so. Cool. I don't know, for me, when things come up, I, I don't have a, like a big kind of emotional reaction or make a drama out of it. Or I feel pretty neutral when any kind of symptom or healing expression comes up now. So for me, what I guess the biggest thing that's come up in these examples is like, I have really used it as a way of getting in touch with myself and where my, my little leaks are, you could say,

Ellen: Mhm.

Chris: but those are three that come up off the top of my head. I, I probably have a few that if I look back, like retrospectively. Over the past, I don't know, 10, 15 years, I could probably come up with some, but, those have been some more recently my practice. Um, let's see, I think, uh, you know, people commonly come into chiropractic for back pain, headaches, neck pain, et cetera. I get some of that. That's not my primary kind of clientele, but I do get some of that every now and then. And, um, I think one that, that sticks out is, uh, low back pain and this woman kind of having off and on pain.

Chris: And then she, this, these like cycles of having a blown disc or like a disc going out or something like that. And, um, I think kind of in my early stages of studying, I, I was asking her questions and A lot of it having to do with not feeling supported, feeling like she could ask for support, which would kind of cover the self devaluation piece of like, I'm not good enough to ask for support or for help or whatever. And another another kind of nuance. That I've picked up with that and a couple other people just like life path stuff, like not feeling like I'm on the right path, which I know is kind of connected to a couple other programs, but that does seem to be kind of a common, like, there's some kind of self worth, self esteem, self value thing when it comes to not being able to figure out my own kind of. Way. Um, so that's been kind of an interesting nuance that has come up for sure. Um, yeah, those are some that that just kind of come to mind.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's I'm sure like while learning G and M. You know, like having a new framework, like somewhat new framework to like, understand, I mean, truthfully, like, the beauty of this tool is that it feels like it's, it's an opportunity for greater self awareness, like, of what's actually happening up here and Being reflected in the symptoms that are arising.

Ellen: And, um, for some of the people in my life who I really honestly brought me to this tool and like shared it with me,

Chris: Right.

Ellen: be described from most, um, you know, doctors that I would see or like within allopathic medicine.

Ellen: And, um, you know, this is, this is the tool that's really brought a new level of awareness to my. You know, conscious mind of like, okay, what's actually going on? What is being triggered? What, you know, what isn't being resolved within my life? Um, and you know, it's, I've heard from a variety of practitioners, both, you know, like having access to the psyche and, and doing that, you know, self awareness work.

Ellen: Or like we talked about. Addressing the somatic experience first and then seeing what surfaces, um,

Chris: Absolutely.

Ellen: about the area of medicine or, um, you know, healthcare, if you will, starting to incorporate the awareness of, you know, our psyche and, and our internal experience and how that's reflected in our physical experience and our biological experience as well.

Ellen: So.

Chris: Right. Yeah. Just the, just the ability to have almost like your, your attention muscle grown or flexed. Right. Because I think that's what a lot of this comes down to is just able to hold your attention or like shine, like being able to shine your own flashlight on something so that you can see it for what it is. what I've noticed a lot too, especially in my space, I, I see a lot of people who come from the. medicine space and kind of some of the more holistic trends, I guess, if you will. And I think the biggest thing that can be shifted or that people can be liberated from is like shame or the fear or, this notion that they've done something wrong or like, they've taken the wrong things or that they've done the wrong practices or whatever.

Chris: But you're able to, I guess, just have this framework and connect the dots with. felt kind of things and then your lived experience and then being able just to hold observation or attention or awareness for them. A lot of that stuff just kind of softens or dissipates because you realize that it's not true, right?

Chris: Like, a lot of it's just a story. And so, um, yeah, the, the attention and the awareness and to have the, the internal bandwidth to do those things is really, I think, I don't want to say a trend, but like, you can see it kind of coming to the forefront for sure,

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a wild time 2025 on our planet. And so, but also it's like an exciting time because, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of evolution happening for everyone individually and then, and collectively as well. Um,

Chris: right.

Ellen: yeah.

Chris: Thanks.

Ellen: how, um, as you integrate this tool and, and start to like, um, share it with people, um, I can imagine the impact will be great because it's, um, you know, somebody might be coming to you for back pain, little do they know, there might be a lot more uncovered

Chris: That's

Ellen: beneath the back pain.

Chris: That's right. That is certainly the goal. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for all that. Yeah, it's, um, it feels really good to, um, you know, you find, you find something that you feel really connected to and just passionate about, but like really, you know, a piece of your calling. And then it's like, okay, well, how can I, how can I honor that and follow it as far as it'll take you?

Chris: And then, um, You know, share it with people who have the ears to hear it and I don't know, I, I just feel very, very grateful to have kind of upon all of this.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah, totally is your, um, I mean, same, honestly, is, um, is your vision with this tool to primarily incorporate it within your practice? I know you've mentioned that you've taught a couple of like intro to GNM, um, courses, but I'm just curious, like, Yeah, what you feel excited about with, um, moving forward and, and your practice and the work that you're here to do.

Chris: Um, yeah, I, I've, I think I've had held two, two GNM 101 classes in my, in my chiropractic practice, which have been really amazing. so the, I think one is like creating community space. Where we can dive into this stuff that feels very, um, easy and good for me. Like when I, when I think about it and kind of hold a vision for that, it feels very, very congruent. So that's one piece. Um, by the end of March, early April, I'll be launching my own kind of one to one services. I'm still kind of figuring out the verbiage for all of that consulting, whatever you want to say. Um, kind of like dedicated, dedicated attention work through this. Um, and then, yeah, my chiropractic practice just continuing to integrate the language, um, and creating space for, for people to have the, the information and, you know, people come into my space and, you know, they have an agenda or they have an expectation or something, but have. This framework given, given to them, and then they can kind of take with it and, and use it kind of in their own, their own ways, I think, really important for me to, to share with people, you know, you hear, I think, especially, you know, one of my mentors and teachers, Michelle Chatham, she talks a lot about resourcing and being able to resource yourself and to have. right? I think that's probably one of the other greatest gifts that this can give people is true sovereignty and understanding what's coming up in their systems and then, you know, making the choices based on their value systems. Of how to move forward through that. And that feels really, really important to me too.

Chris: So yeah, sharing, sharing the information is definitely a top priority.

Ellen: And I mean, all that, all that you just spoke to, I think is very relevant for, um, this current experience of humanity, you know, like the sovereignty and, and. And really like self empowerment of, you know, like understanding ourselves, having awareness of ourselves and the community piece. Like I love that you're hosting, you know, classes for your community because truly, I mean, the way of the future, in my opinion, is community, um, is having like a way to a network of support wherever we live.

Ellen: Cause you know, the online communities are great. And I, you know, love that we have. the online communities. And, you know, like, I love that there are also resources for people to, um, engage in person with,

Chris: that's

Ellen: um, this information. And, um, and I just get really excited too about, yeah, people practicing this. In person as well.

Chris: yeah, for sure. It's um, I mean, you know, it's like when you can step into a space with somebody and give them a hug and say, Hey, and kind of be in it with somebody else. Not that the virtual thing is wrong or anything like that. But yeah, it's definitely has a different kind of feel to it for sure.

Ellen: And I'm sure we all have new appreciation for it after like, you know, like experiencing 2020, like

Chris: For

Ellen: it just feels like a time where people are, I mean, like the, one of the conversations I was having this morning, um, around GNM is like, when we feel isolated, like that is a huge part of like where biological programs begin is

Chris: right.

Ellen: with that isolation.

Ellen: And so,

Chris: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. The community piece is huge, um, in this day and age. And I think everyone is really kind of craving it and longing for it.

Chris: Absolutely. Yeah. And it's cool. It's cool to see people, uh, take action and start to create, create this kind of smaller tribal Communities like that. Yeah, for sure.

Ellen: Yeah. Um, is there much of a GNM community in Dallas? I'm curious.

Chris: It's growing.

Ellen: Cool. Totally.

Chris: um, maybe two to two to three people that I, that I consciously know of who are kind of dedicating themselves to the study. And then, you know, I've. I think in the, in two classes, I've had 20 to 25 people. So it's, you know, people are becoming aware of it.

Chris: There's people that I'll kind of reach out every now and then on Instagram that live in Dallas that are like, Oh, Hey, I've heard about this thing. Yeah. Where can I find more information? So, yeah, it's, it's definitely growing and I, I would imagine it will continue to do so the more that we are able to, to bring it through on social media and kind of in some of these spaces.

Chris: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah, and that was, I mean, that was a big goal for both me and Sarah and, um, creating the GNM collective is like, the timing felt so perfect. I think people are really ready to learn this information and, and hear this information. Um.

Chris: Yeah,

Ellen: we're all very, a lot of us are primed and ready to be like, Oh yeah, this totally makes sense.

Ellen: Like,

Chris: Yeah,

Ellen: um, it's just, uh, it's, it gives a new awareness and understanding to our experience, which is really beautiful.

Chris: Yeah. And I think it's interesting to notice, you know, when you're thinking about like health trends or like topics that have kind of been in the holistic space, you can see the progression towards this more integrated kind of understanding or awareness of everything, right? Like there's been big trends and like the nervous system work and emotion code stuff and Joe dispenses work and Bruce Lipton's work and.

Chris: Yeah, absolutely. all these people who are, know, pioneers in their own fields and then to have all these people who are really into those things, it's like they're primed for like this full integrated lens and way and way of understanding

Ellen: totally.

Chris: home and together, you know, so, yeah, I don't know.

Chris: It's been, it's been interesting for me to kind of observe and, and watch people come into it.

Ellen: Awesome. Any, um, any closing thoughts or, um, ways that people can find you? I'll include any of like your kind of your links, um, in the show notes, but yeah, curious if you have any closing thoughts, um, for this conversation.

Chris: Yeah. I think if anybody's, if anybody's catching this and they're, they're curious about the one on one class, um, it's going to be a really beautiful opportunity to off the, the lenses of your, of your kind of preconceived notions or preexisting paradigms and to put on these other, other lens and, you know, to come and have an experience.

Chris: And if it resonates with you, then that's great. But, yeah. No, that if it doesn't, that's okay, too,

Ellen: Mm hmm. Yeah,

Chris: but, uh, I think the class is going to be, it's going to be a really great introduction for people who are who are new and and just curious.

Ellen: yeah, yeah. And I imagine there will be space for questions and,

Chris: Oh,

Ellen: um, that type of thing, but I feel really excited to, yeah, to learn from you and to continue to just kind of dive into this information. And, um, I'm really grateful that you're kind of like kicking off our, our series of calls, um, for our community.

Ellen: And, um, yeah, so grateful to be connected to you.

Chris: for sure. Yeah. Thank you.

Ellen: Yeah, you're welcome. Um, so yeah, I'll include all of those links in the show notes. And then, um, if you are catching this before February 24th, um, feel free to check out our website and join our, uh, member space to get access to the call, or you can just purchase, believe there's an option to purchase a ticket just for the call.

Ellen: Um, but also if you join the member space, you'll have access to the recording of this upcoming call and any of the future calls that we do. I think we have some cool topics coming up, including like GNM for Mamas. And, um, we're going to have, um, like an asthma specific call. And then, um, I believe potentially in, in May we'll have one, um, just kind of like on nervous system regulation.

Ellen: So, yeah, thank you so much for this conversation. Um, I look forward to connecting more and I think we'll close with that.

Chris: Thanks for having me.

Ellen: Yeah, you're welcome.

Ep. 3 | The Vitalist's Approach: Merging Chinese Medicine, Naturopathy, and GNM with Dr. Kye Peven

n this enlightening episode, we’re joined by Dr. Kye Peven, a skilled doctor of Chinese Medicine, Naturopathic Medicine, and a vitalist practitioner. Dr. Peven shares his journey into the world of medicine, which began with a deep meditation practice, and how it shaped his approach to healing. We dive into the integration of German New Medicine (GNM) into his practice and explore how he combines ancient wisdom with modern techniques to treat the whole person—mind, body, and spirit.

Through this conversation, we learn how Dr. Peven views health as an interconnected balance, using GNM as a powerful tool in his holistic approach to healing. Whether you're new to these concepts or deeply immersed in the world of naturopathic medicine, Dr. Peven’s insights will offer valuable perspectives on how we can better understand and address the root causes of disease, and how to support healing from within.

Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on the transformative potential of combining traditional medicine with a vitalist approach to health.

Transcript:

Ellen: Hello, and welcome to the German New Medicine Collective podcast. Today, I am with Dr. Kai Peeven, and I'm so excited to have this conversation with you. Um, Dr. Kai is one of our practitioners within our German New Medicine Collective space. And yeah, just really. Excited to have this conversation and talk about his journey to Germannew Medicine and how he utilizes it in his practice. Um, a little bit about Dr. Cai. He is a naturopathic doctor and doctor of Chinese medicine with doctorates from the National University of Natural Medicine in Portland, Oregon. The oldest school of naturopathic medicine in the country. He has been in private practice with a non profit Whole Systems Healthcare Center.

Ellen: For the past six years in Seattle, Washington, and now in Tampa, Florida, as a vitalist, he believes the mind and body are constantly striving wholeness and have the innate capacity to heal. In his practice, he primarily focuses on the mind body connection, lifestyle interventions, diet, nutrition, gentle form informational medicines, such as homeopathy, and botanical medicine and acupuncture. His discovery of German new medicine is relatively more recent. He has found this additional layer of understanding of the connection between mind and body, highly relevant, is working to integrate German new medicine with existing models of the body from naturopathic and Chinese medicine. Welcome to the show, Dr.

Ellen: Kai. So nice to have you.

Dr. Kye Peven: Thanks so much for having me.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah, just really curious, reading your bio, um, it sounds like you utilize a variety of tools and, um, I would love to hear a little bit more about, yeah, what brought you into the work that you do and then your journey into kind of adding German New Medicine as another layer to the practice that you offer with your clients.

Dr. Kye Peven: Yeah, absolutely. Um, try and give it just a quick overview. Um, I would say my, my entry into medicine really actually arose from my introduction and then initial foray into meditation. Yeah, absolutely. And, um, contrary to a lot of folks that get into alternative medicine through their own, like, physical healing process, I sort of came to it more from the spiritual side of things because starting to do a lot of meditation really made me realize that Um, next to sort of spiritual evolution, um, health is really the number one deciding factor on how happy somebody is, you know, what kind of a life they have.

Dr. Kye Peven: And, um, you know, I've kind of always been motivated by this idea of wanting to contribute to the world, wanting to contribute to the people of the world. And. You know, it sort of became obvious that health and medicine was really the, the path. Um, because when people are healthy, they can do anything. Um, and that was, that was sort of the entry point.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, I knew I didn't want to go in the direction of standard allopathic medicine. Even at that point, I kind of, I had some idea of what that path would entail. And I have a college background in engineering, and I knew that Western medicine, it's the same, it's the same thought process, you know, it's kind of soulless, actually, um, you know, you have to find your own soul in a system that really tries to kind of cut it out.

Dr. Kye Peven: And so I found naturopathic medicine and Chinese medicine, and I was lucky enough that there was a school that did that. I had extremely amazing programs in both of those. Um, so that's what I went to. And then, you know, German New Medicine came again relatively recently. I've probably only known about German New Medicine for a year.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, and it just, you know, there's so many different systems, but German New Medicine is a very It's a very elegant system. Um, it's, it's pretty consistent and that's something I look for is systems that are internally consistent. Um, you know, there is, there's all, there's acknowledgement as well of where the system fails, which I think is really important, um, because no system can cover all possibility.

Dr. Kye Peven: And it's, it's very much congruent with every other. System of medicine that I'm aware of. Um, and so I love, I love having different systems because you can layer them on top of each other and then you gain more insight into what's going on. You know, you can use multiple systems and get a broader perspective on.

Dr. Kye Peven: What's something, you know, what, what's happening, what someone might be experiencing. So, yeah, I'm excited to use it, you know, use it more with my patients.

Ellen: Yeah, awesome. Thank you so much for sharing. Um, I love the, the piece that you shared around the way you came to medicine was more of a spiritual journey than, um, yeah, then trying to solve your own, yeah, like maybe your own health struggles or something like that. Um, I, In my own work as a nurse have felt like a deep spiritual connection to the service that I, bring to the work that I do as well.

Ellen: And I think that it, for me personally, it just brings a lot, an additional layer, yeah, of what you said, soul, and then also of fulfillment because of that, um, connection to the, to the spiritual heart of, of healing and, and what it means to be a healthy human. Yeah.

Dr. Kye Peven: I think that's so important. And,

Ellen: hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: that I think everybody is looking for in medicine. Um, is, is that soul piece? Um, you know, one of the things that I think about a lot is the, the, the sort of difference between. Um, conventional allopathic, like our, our conventional standard medical system and most other like alternative medical systems is that the, the sort of ideal, the ideal state of conventional medicine is that you can go to any doctor or any hospital and receive exactly the same diagnosis and exactly the same treatment.

Dr. Kye Peven: Like, no matter where you go, you know, because there's this objective reality and they're going to find it. And the only reason that you don't, that that doesn't happen is because we're imperfect, you know, and there's no recognition. Like the, you know, what happens with most other forms of medicine is you go to different doctors and you get different diagnoses and you get different treatments.

Dr. Kye Peven: And that's a good thing. You know, you should be getting something different because they're different people and they have a different lens and they have different tools and they have a different perspective.

Ellen: Totally.

Dr. Kye Peven: And that's the sole piece, right? Like, we're not these automatons,

Ellen: Mm hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: you know?

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, the acknowledgement of the mind body spirit, um, in, in the approach to the human, um, yeah. So I

Dr. Kye Peven: hmm. Mm

Ellen: that. And I'm curious in your practice, if you. Have any area of specialty or yeah, what kind of, um, yeah, if you work with a variety of people from a variety of backgrounds looking for, you know,

Dr. Kye Peven: hmm. Mm hmm.

Ellen: support in different ways or, um, yeah.

Ellen: Mm hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: interesting question, um, because again, sort of in the conventional world, people think of specialties as, Diseases like you specialize in treating diabetes. You specialize in treating head injuries. You specialize in treating, you know, like endocrine disorders. And, um, as a vitalist, all of that is kind of superfluous because, you know, vitalists and this idea of vitalism, what you're really looking at is physiology, not pathology.

Dr. Kye Peven: You, you want to understand how people like, like how does health work? Not how does disease work?

Ellen: Mm

Dr. Kye Peven: so, um, I do specialize, and I would say the most accurate way to describe that is I specialize in trauma.

Ellen: hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: Because the only reason that people don't heal is because of trauma, right? And otherwise you heal, you know, you cut yourself, you break your arm, you, you know, you, you suffer a, like a, uh, relational breakup.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, if there's no lasting impact, if there's no trauma, then you recover and you move on, you keep going. That's how life works. Um, and so you have to find that trauma and heal that. And, you know, even with, with lifestyle factors, like eating a lot of junk food, for example, you know. Almost always there's a trauma, there's a trauma component, you know, there's a, there's an emotional component, and that has to be teased apart.

Dr. Kye Peven: You have to figure that out, you know.

Ellen: Yeah, that piece is huge. I, I too feel, um, often is kind of the missing link within a lot of, um, medical practice or, um, You know, when people seem to come up against this resistance to the body healing, to finding resolution, and I really, I truly think that's what has brought me to German New Medicine is, um, this, this piece of, of trauma and, and how the psyche is impacted when, you know, we, we experienced something and, and however we, um, process that experience, You know, may or may not have a lasting impact.

Ellen: And so, um, yeah, I'm curious with the trauma piece, just, just how you approach that with the clients that you work with and I'm sure it's, it, you know, it

Dr. Kye Peven: Sure.

Ellen: individual, but yeah,

Dr. Kye Peven: Yeah.

Ellen: for you to share more on that.

Dr. Kye Peven: Mm hmm. Well, my, my current sort of predominant model that I use for diagnosing and treating trauma is from Chinese medicine. And in Chinese medicine, in the lineage that I've studied with, um, This is called heart shock,

Ellen: Hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: I find heart shock to be a much, a much better and more evocative term than trauma for a number of reasons, partly because, you know, trauma has all of these implications in the English language in our culture, and heart shock is, number one, it's more descriptive, because that's actually what's, what is going on, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: It is actually shock to the heart, and in Chinese medicine, The heart is a much broader system than just the, you know, physical heart that is in the chest. And so, when we say heart shock, um, what we mean is the systemic effect of trauma, whether it's at a physical level, or emotional level, or mental level, or even at a spiritual level, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: And There are, you know, there are ways to, to, to diagnose, you know, signs and symptoms that indicate a likelihood of heart shock. And some of them, you know, are symptoms that the person is experiencing. Um, sleep disruption is a really common one, you know. I would say that a majority of people with insomnia have a degree of heart shock.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, other, you know, other signs and kind of crossing over into, uh, like more of a biomedical lens. Um, anyone who has excess sympathetic nervous system activity probably has a degree of heart shock, right? So people who are anxious, people who, um, have, like, cold hands and feet, or who are cold all the time, um, people who have, you know, like, anxiety and, like, digestive difficulties because they're parasympathetic offline, um, right, like, excess parasympathetic also commonly leads to insomnia, um, people who, who, like, sweat in their armpits, like, very easily with any kind of stress, right, that's, like, excess sympathetic, um, Those are all signs of heart shock.

Dr. Kye Peven: And then there are, there are physical things that I will observe that the patient might not be aware of. Um, the pulse for me is a major diagnostic tool. So I do a lot of pulse diagnosis and this is a common pulse. There's a common diagnostic tool in Chinese medicine. Um, it's mostly done by feeling the radial artery at the wrist.

Dr. Kye Peven: And there are a lot of different systems, but the system I practice, there are very specific pulse findings that indicate heart shock. Um, you can also perceive heart shock in the face, um, on the tongue, or, or really any other, like, visible mucous membrane, but, you know, the tongue is the easiest to see. Um, you can look in the eyes, um, you know, heart shock, it's a systemic effect.

Dr. Kye Peven: So you can see it everywhere if you know what you're looking for.

Ellen: Hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: Right. And there's, there's other, there's other systems that you can use to find heart shock in like different parts of the body. But right, you see it in the mind, you see it at the emotional level and you see it physically in the body.

Dr. Kye Peven: And then in terms of treatment, um, you know, a lot of times, uh, The initial treatment has to be somatic, so there's no use, there's no use trying to treat trauma through something like, like counseling or talk therapy, um, especially if it's old, you know, it's like something that happened in childhood and the person's now an adult, um, you have to start with the body because that's where the, that's where the trauma is held, is in the body, um, and so I do a lot of acupuncture, um, I do, I use a lot of herbal medicine, there are specific herbs that You know, are helpful for working with heart shock.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, and I use a lot of constitutional or classical homeopathy. Which, and I find all three of those synergize really, really well.

Ellen: Beautiful.

Dr. Kye Peven: then, typically, what I do is the counseling comes after we start working with the body.

Ellen: Do you find that with addressing the somatic piece first, that it allows the, the, um, the psyche to acknowledge it a bit more? It like kind of brings it to the surface.

Dr. Kye Peven: Absolutely. Um, you know, trauma, anything that is chronic, anything that is a chronic state, um, exists at every level of the human experience, right? Whether, like, no matter where something started, like, if it started physically, With a broken leg, um, you know, if it doesn't completely resolve, if it, if it becomes trauma, right, because there's no guarantee that a difficult experience will become trauma, but if it becomes trauma, then by definition, it exists physically, emotionally, mentally, and, and, you know, spiritually, and so you get the best results by working at all of the levels together, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: And, you know, sometimes you start with one and then you move to the other, but you do need to. Address every level.

Ellen: Yeah, cool. And um, yeah, just on the topic of, yeah. And then just on the topic of German new medicine, I would love to hear you share about how this This tool has just added to the practice that you offer, um, the work that you do with clients and um, maybe just how it's informing the work that you do in a new way.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, I find German New Medicine to be very helpful because it gives a level of detail beyond the models that I'm already very familiar with, primarily from Chinese medicine that link mind and body. Um, and it's, you know, it's because the strength of the Western mindset is, is the reductionism. And so, you know, German New Medicine does, even though it is it, you know, a system that integrates mind and body, it still comes from that Western, uh, that Western perspective, which is fundamentally like the Western, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: The entire Western mindset has been let's break everything down to the smallest component. Let's understand the smallest piece. of reality, and then we can kind of put it back together. And so, um, you know, the idea of specific tissue types having correspondences to, you know, specific mental emotional experiences, um, and that's, you know, that being based on, like, which germal layer that tissue type comes from, you know, and those little details I find to be very helpful.

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, and this, you know, integrates really well with the way we understand minded body from the Eastern or Chinese medicine perspective, which starts big, um, right, like the, the basic metaphysical, uh, underpinnings of Chinese medicine are that everything is one, everything is the Dow, everything is indivisible.

Dr. Kye Peven: And so there's. Like any, any separation that we make, any, any kind of reduction, every, any division that we make is fundamentally arbitrary and illusory. And that kind of, you know, that kind of perspective is It's really much more helpful for seeing the big picture, but doesn't get to the level of detail that the Western perspective does.

Dr. Kye Peven: And so these two sides integrate really well. Um, so, you know, um, I find that like I can take the understanding of some kind of, you know, pathological process or some kind of imbalance and look at it from both sides and, and then you get more detail and. You know, they, these, these two different systems, um, fill in the, the gaps left by the other.

Ellen: Beautiful. Yeah. It seems like just a really, supportive blend to have the lenses from, you know, different sides of the spectrum.

Dr. Kye Peven: Right.

Ellen: Yeah.

Dr. Kye Peven: you know, one of the things about German New Medicine, which can be challenging is that it, it requires the patient to have enough self awareness to find The source of the conflict and in in healing right in the practice of medicine That is geared towards healing. The most difficult thing is Creating self awareness for your patient, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: Everything else is very simple. Very easy you know, whatever whatever treatment you're doing whatever modality you're using like that's the easy part the self awareness is the difficult part and You know, German New Medicine is really great because it, it gives a system in which to ask the patient more specific questions,

Ellen: Mm hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: right?

Dr. Kye Peven: You can say, well, you know, this, this symptom comes, you know, from this tissue type, which means there's this kind of conflict happening. And it started when you were, you know, age 24, like. You know, what, what kind of emotional experience did you have at age 24 that, you know, matches this type of conflict pattern?

Dr. Kye Peven: And that's helpful because it jogs their memory, it gets them really thinking about their experience, and, you know, it can kind of increase their level of self awareness around that. Um, but there's plenty of people who still, you know, their answer to all of that is, I don't know, I don't, you know, nothing happened.

Ellen: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Dr. Kye Peven: like acupuncture, I can treat someone without talking to them at all. You know, there's, there's plenty of information available from their body that I can come up with an understanding of what's happening.

Dr. Kye Peven: And. These, these two, you know, the two, these two approaches feed off of each other. And so, you know, you, you hit a, you hit a block or you, you know, you get to a place where you're not progressing with counseling, then you can use acupuncture and, you know, create movement at a physical level and go through that block, you know, on a different dimension.

Ellen: Yeah. And I mean, just based on of what I've observed, only within the Derma New Medicine space, but in the process of healing, that self awareness piece is a big part of it. And also I've observed, like for example, um, my partner, he's been dealing with some asthma symptoms. More in the last couple of years and the German new medicine piece has been really helpful.

Ellen: And I think, you know, his experience, the way that he's described it is like, I've been just racking my brain. Like what, what are the conflicts? Like just almost like making it a very mental process. Um,

Dr. Kye Peven: hmm.

Ellen: see how utilizing a variety of tools with, in combination with Chinese medicine with, um, just like a naturopathic approach could be very valuable in addressing both, you know, what's going on in the psyche and in the, the somatic system, like from a

Dr. Kye Peven: Mm hmm.

Ellen: in the body, helping to resolve both. so I really appreciate. The kind of like the blend that you bring in your practice and, um, in, in the conversations that I've had with some of our other practitioners, there is, you know, Germany medicine is part of the, the, um, toolkit that they have, but not like the end all be all.

Dr. Kye Peven: Mm hmm.

Ellen: I find that having, yeah, just a wide lens to approach things and to address things with people can be so valuable depending on where the person is and, and what's going on with them.

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Dr. Kye Peven: when I've had physical, um, issues and, you know, health issues that I've dealt with. Typically, the most helpful treatments and the most helpful practitioners that I see are the ones that help me create a meaningful narrative about what I'm experiencing.

Dr. Kye Peven: And it's not actually the people that make the problem go away. Um, and. In, in this way, I think German New Medicine is extremely helpful because it helps people to, to understand what's happening, right, so that it's not this scary, unknown experience where they have no control. It's like, no, this is happening.

Dr. Kye Peven: This is all happening for a reason. It makes perfect sense. Um, and. Even though it's difficult, um, you know, there is, there is a trajectory that, that fits, you know, it's not just random and chaotic,

Ellen: Yeah, totally. And just, um, allows the person, I think the, with the narrative, with creating a narrative and, and having that layer of understanding, being able to almost like trust the body more and, and of let go a little bit as far as the fear truly that

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Dr. Kye Peven: Right.

Ellen: Yeah.

Dr. Kye Peven: Yeah, and I think also, and this is something that I think is really incumbent on the practitioner to communicate to the patient, is that, well, number one, um, right, every symptom that the body is exhibiting is in service to survival, is in service to health, um, and like, Sort of and and sort of as a corollary to that, nothing that the patient is experiencing is inherently bad, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: That's such a common experience for for people is when they're sick or when they're dealing with health issues. There's this There's a judgment about that that something's bad and either they're bad because they did something to cause this to themselves or The world's bad because it did this to them.

Dr. Kye Peven: You know, there's it's like there's some kind of You know, victimization that occurs, and I think using German New Medicine well, it's a way to communicate to patients that nobody's a victim, that, you know, their body is responding perfectly actually,

Ellen: Yeah, and in that way, we can, I think, support the collective, support humanity in moving from that state of victimization to freedom, ultimately, um, on like a, a psycho spiritual level, just being able to really surrender to, to the Tao, to life and the way that it's, it's Yeah,

Dr. Kye Peven: right?

Ellen: I love, I love hearing about, yeah, your approach and, and all that you take into consideration when working with patients and I can imagine just, just in my own, um, work in the healthcare field, how valuable it is have, um, someone with lens of, of the, the mind, body, spirit and, and how to approach the human as, as a whole human in that way.

Dr. Kye Peven: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I find that's the most fascinating part, you know, that's the most, that's the most rewarding part of medicine is, um, seeing people evolve. Because ultimately that's, that's what it means to heal. It means to evolve, right? I mean, you see it even in the German, even in German new medicine, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: If you never come out of the conflict state, you know, then eventually you die. You know, you, you just like, you're, you're in permanent fight or flight and you don't eat and you, you just, you know, that, that, that's death. And, and so, The only way out of that is to evolve.

Ellen: Totally. you know, like, with a parallel of the collective and what's happening in, on the planet at this time, I often get really curious about our as a planet as, you know, a human collective, um, and so the, the timing of the, you know, the way that we created the German new medicine collective and this information, um, playing a piece in our evolution as, as human beings really beautiful.

Ellen: And. And as we're speaking, I'm just like seeing this beautiful parallel between, yeah, the individual work that you do with people and the evolution that you're seeing and how it's serving the collective and how it's serving us as, as humanity is being able to, um, move from that state of conflict, which all of us are very familiar with, you know, we, we can see that both individually in our culture. In our own lives, and then collectively, whenever we look out at what's happening in the world and, um, the piece of evolution and, and how we, we move from a state of conflict to a state of freedom and harmony, um, is just a beautiful parallel that I'm, I'm tuning into as we're having this conversation.

Dr. Kye Peven: Yeah.

Ellen: Any final thoughts or, um, any other things that you'd love to share while we're having this conversation on the, on the podcast?

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, something, you know, what, what you were just saying about, um, like our evolution as a species and the way that, you know, the, like the planet is changing right now, um, sort of brings to mind, I think something that is interesting to think about, which is that. Any, any holistic medical system should be applicable at multiple levels, right?

Dr. Kye Peven: Which means we can look at society through the lens of German New Medicine, right? We can look at the whole planet through the lens of German New Medicine. And, you know, if we, if we want to diagnose a societal ill, then we should be able to map the, this idea that, like, disease is a result of internal conflict.

Dr. Kye Peven: We should be able to map that onto society, right? We just have to figure it out. And German, and Chinese medicine does this very easily because everything's metaphorical, right? It, it starts at the level of metaphor and the physical manifestation, like your, your skin. Or your hair, or your eyes, or whatever, is the manifestation of a metaphorical process.

Dr. Kye Peven: And German medicine is, um, the other way around. It really starts at the physical level, you know, with these tissue types. But we should be able to take this idea of, like, spleen tissue. And be like, okay, where's, where's the spleen tissue of society? And if that's sick, then that should tell us what kind of conflict is happening societally.

Dr. Kye Peven: Right. And I think that would be a very interesting thing to explore.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah, totally. And I think just the kind of the macro understanding, know, something that's coming through us as we're speaking is of my favorite stories, um, you know, used as metaphor. We love stories as humans. Some of my favorite stories, rather than just creating like Transcribed A villain and a hero allows us to see the deeper layer of how the villain became the villain, how the conflict has perpetuated because of the state of internal conflict in, you know, the, the so called villain and, um, like that deeper layer of understanding for, yeah, conflict at a societal level and at an individual level and the compassion and understanding that, you know, each of us has our own path that we're walking and, and that, you know, the conflict that may result, there's, there's more behind that whenever we, um, start to have more compassion and understanding and, not only, you know, for our own. Story and the part that we're playing in it, but also, you know, what's manifesting as our own physical struggles and ailments and, um, in that healing process.

Dr. Kye Peven: And ultimately that's evolution, right? Is the experience that used to be a conflict is not a conflict anymore.

Ellen: Yeah. Totally. it's an exciting time to be a human because I feel like we're, we're watching it all happen.

Dr. Kye Peven: I know there is sure a lot happening right now.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. Um, awesome. I'm so grateful for this conversation and just for hearing a little bit more about you and your practice and, um, I'm really happy that you. And that you're doing the work that you're doing to support, um, you know, the people that come your way.

Ellen: And, um, I hope that conversation is, is able to some, some hope for people and making meaning out of their own story and, um, what they're, what they're going through and, Yeah, I can imagine anyone would be really blessed to work with you. So I'm really grateful to have you in our collective, um, and to have this conversation. Yeah. Anything final that you'd like to say before we end the conversation?

Dr. Kye Peven: Um, just that I'm also, you know, really happy that you started this, this community and yeah, thank you so much for having me on.

Ellen: Yeah. And, um, a final note, if you want to get in touch with Dr. Kai and the work that he does, he's listed on the German New Medicine Collective website, which will be linked below, as well as, um, if you join our Mighty Network space, uh, that's also a space that you can interact with Dr. Kai and learn a little bit of more, a little bit more about his approach. So, um, thank you all so much. And thank you, Dr. Kai. It was such a pleasure to chat with you today.

Dr. Kye Peven: Thanks so much for having me.

Ep. 2 Maria Runyon | Combining GNM with other Modalities for Eczema, Postpartum Depression, and More

In this powerful episode, we sit down with a practitioner of German New Medicine who shares her inspiring journey of healing from postpartum depression, anxiety, and her son’s eczema symptoms. Through a combination of German New Medicine, Miasmic Homeopathy, Bio Energetic Testing, Somatic Inquiry, and more, she has not only transformed her own health but also supports her clients on their path to healing.

Discover how integrating these holistic tools empowers individuals to find the root causes of their symptoms and achieve lasting wellness. Whether you're seeking hope, healing, or simply curious about alternative healing modalities, this conversation offers valuable insights and inspiration for those navigating their own health challenges.

Join us as we explore the transformative power of German New Medicine and other holistic practices that nurture the mind, body, and spirit.

Transcript:

Ellen: Hello and welcome to the German New Medicine Collective podcast. This is Ellen. I am here to speak with Maria Runyon. She is one of our practitioners in our collective. Um, she is featured not only on our website, if you are looking for practitioners to work with from a German New Medicine lens, she's also featured in our social media page.

Ellen: And also if, um, she's. Hosted in our collective. So we have a mighty network space that is membership based. And if. You're looking to interact with our practitioners, get to know them, maybe ask them questions. The member space is a great place for that. And today we will just be talking to Maria about her approach to Derma New Medicine along with the other tools that she uses and the work that she does with clients.

Ellen: And Maria Runyon is the founder of Root Cause Energetics and a dedicated integrative health practitioner, specializing in combining personalized bioenergetic testing with German New Medicine and miasmic homeopathy. With advanced training in modalities such as GNM, emotion code, somatic inquiry, metaphysical anatomy, kinesiology, and functional medicine.

Ellen: Maria takes a fully holistic approach to uncovering the true root causes of illness and physical ailments. Her journey into GNM began as a personal quest to help her son heal from chronic eczema. Leading her to discover the transformative principles of GNM and the profound connections between psyche, brain, organ.

Ellen: Today, Maria combines her expertise with her compassionate, supportive approach to empower clients and families to address not only their physical symptoms, but also the emotional and energetic imbalances that underline them. Maria is passionate about guiding others on their own healing journeys.

Ellen: fostering hope, connection, and long lasting change. Welcome to the show, Maria. It's so nice to have you.

Maria: Thank you so much, Alan. Thank you for the introduction. And, uh, I just want to say, I'm really honored to be here and, uh, to have this chance to share my story and the work that I'm so passionate about and, uh, I really appreciate what you have built here with the collective, uh, With Sarah, because I feel like, uh, there was a much needed, uh, space where, uh, people who love G and M and they can come together and learn and create, um, a safe space to support feel supported and connected. Um, and thank you so much for putting all this together. If it's all

Ellen: Yeah, it's, it's such a, it's, it's been really cool to, um, just kind of like intuitively tap into the need here. I think that both Sarah and I found in our own. search and desire to learn about German New Medicine, that there weren't really a lot of resources. And so for people who are maybe new to German New Medicine and want to learn about it, want to kind of maybe interact with people who know this body of knowledge well, um, we were just really excited to kind of create something in order, kind of to create a container in order for that to take place.

Ellen: So, um, I think you were the first. Practitioner to join our collective and we are just so happy to have you and I'm really excited to kind of dive into your own story and what brought you to German New Medicine. Um, so yeah, I would love to hear a little bit about you, um, and what brought you to German New Medicine, kind of your story into how you found this tool.

Maria: Um, yeah, so when journey to German new medicine and how I found it, it's not really straightforward, but I'm going to try to summarize it as much as I can. Uh, it wasn't really a lot of at first sight. So that's why I feel like there's a lot of resistance, a lot of deconditioning that has to happen for someone to kind of Embody this, uh, wisdom that Dr hammer has built and there's just so much, uh, that can, uh, influence the way we see things.

Maria: So, um, my journey, um, story basically started when I was born in Europe. So, um, I grew up in a small town in

Ellen: Silence.

Maria: sense, we already embodied a lot of things that Dr.

Maria: Helmer was teaching. And, um, We weren't aware of it. Obviously, it wasn't a conscious thing. And like many families, we also carried our unresolved conflicts and things. And when my brother and I grew up, my mom became very connected to the holistic living. And about 15 years ago, she discovered GNM. And, um, she dove very deeply into the GNM community in Hungary and, um, she would take every opportunity to share it with me. And at the time I was living, um, in a different country, I was living in Spain and, um, I was in my early twenties and I really appreciated her passion. It wasn't really a place where I can embrace it myself. I didn't really have health symptoms. I wasn't really in deep. The need for GNM to really connect and click in. So, um, I was more focused on personal development and diet and natural approaches, and it just wasn't on my radar. So, uh, then, um, there was a big shift when I met my, um, now husband, uh, which is a crazy story, but I'm not going to go into it. It's, uh, shortly after we met, we got pregnant, um, and I had my daughter.

Maria: We decided to settle in the U S. um, not long after we had our son, and that's when, uh, things started to really spiral out of control for me, um, or for us. And my son developed this chronic, eczema that skin conditions. And, um, at the same time I was dealing with, um, postpartum depression, suicidal thoughts and a lot of, um, isolation, disconnection, anxiety. And, um, I just didn't have the mental and emotional capacity, uh, to handle anything holistic that, um. Requires my involvement involvement. So I completely shut out everything. And I was like, I didn't have the support or the community to kind of help me to deal with things on a holistic level. And so we started following the specialists.

Maria: The allergist dermatologist recommendations, which meant obviously going, um, with medication medications like steroid creams. in the hindsight, I, I, I really understand now how the lens of G and M and everything that I learned in the, uh, through the path, uh, how. Things went downhill so quickly and, um, all these food allergies and, and, and sensitivities and, and everything that, um, my son developed over the time and became, everything became a trigger for him.

Maria: So we tried to keep him in a bubble to completely shield him from the world to kind of like stop the flare ups and trying to gain control. But, uh, I felt completely helpless and desperate in the same time. So it was a very traumatic journey for me. And when he was, uh, about 2 years old, um, I stumbled across something called topical steroid withdrawal, which is, um, connected to, um, the steroids and how it use and how the body becomes dependent on it. And it felt like a lightning struck me because I was like, Oh, my God, what am I doing? I, I, I, have to find some natural way to heal. And I wasn't sure what was the answer yet at the time, but I knew. It existed, I was always brought up in a way that, you know, solution is out there. You just have to find it. And, um, uh, so we took him off the meds and he was spiraling out of control, um, rebound symptoms. It was pure hell. It was, uh, there was no sleeping for maybe I slept like 1 hour a night for, don't know how many months, uh, just to chop down. Stop him from trying to, like, rip himself apart you know, bleed and, and, uh, in the same time when he was sleeping for a few hours, I was desperately researching and trying to find out what was happening and, um, at the same time, my mom from, you know, Europe was trying to really push G and M on me.

Maria: Like, this is a separation conflict. You gotta resolve it. And I was, I was, I just felt so much resistance to it because partially I wasn't ready to accept that something, some of this situation might have connected to my own emotional disconnection and how I unintentionally sabotaged his journey to heal. And, um, So I tried, uh, also things like sleep training and and to get some rest because I was, like, truly desperate for for, you know, kind of a break with the mental conditions and emotional conditions that I was in and looking back, I can see how everything impacted him on a very deep level, but I was just very resistance to the various is resistant to do my own work with it. And, um, so the, this, um, And I also struggled with the way how GNM was presented to me, um, not just from my mom, but from wherever I turned. It was, uh, from like the hardcore GNM communities, because like a few years ago, there wasn't so much talk about it. I feel like it got the hype in the last couple of years. And, um, uh, there was just the true hardcore GNM people, uh, saying that, Conflicts are like they were presenting conflicts very back black and white. Like you have eczema separation conflict done. Go ahead. Resolve it. Do this. Do that. And then, um, Surrender to it or just shift your perception and I feel like it wasn't resonating with me at the time and it was technically true and I could see how that is a thing, but it was see I wasn't able to connect the dots in my situation, so I felt there wasn't enough focus of, you know, offering solution or, uh, guiding people toward this, uh, self realization that, you know, that is so necessary to resolve the conflict. And, um, um, So, I wasn't able to understand the, like, the what, the why, the how, the, the, the, what do I do or not do? And, uh, the, like, it's, it's all has to come together. And, um, at that point, so I didn't have the guidance. I didn't have the energy. So I completely blocked that out and, uh, put it on the back burner.

Maria: It was somewhere there on my radar, but it wasn't simply what I was, you know, Resonating with or aligned with at the time. So I went down different rabbit holes and I, I became an integrative practitioner and I learned how to interpret the functional meds and the lab, the lab results and, and things like that.

Maria: So like, Oh, let's test your blood. Let's let's just test your hair. Let's test your poop. Let's test everything. And, um, um, I focused on overgrowths, parasites, um, detoxes, um, imbalances, everything that you can think of just to, like, kind of find the answer. And, um, I studied kinesiology with Dr.

Maria: Klinghart, and it really opened my eyes a little bit, but it felt like it was still stuck in the same kind of thinking, in the same kind of paradigm. And from there, I got into bionigetic testing and became an emotion code practitioner, which was awesome. life changing because it really opened up a lot. And then when I finally studied my asthmatic homeopathy, um, I, it's like GNM started to click and everything was just puzzle pieces were coming together, and these last things like the emotion code and the myosomatic homeopathy and the bioenergetic testing, they all opened the door for me to truly the bigger picture and the GNM and how it fits into it.

Maria: So. Once I fully integrated GNN into my understanding, that's when everything has shifted for me and for my family and for my son. And I did all the courses. I read all the publications. I also speak German. So it was a little bit easier. I went to high school in Germany. So it really came in handy. Now I know like everything happens for a reason because I could read and study the materials that are not translated to English yet. So was very helpful to kind of gain that knowledge and and see how it really puts it comes together. And I was able to make sense of the challenges for ourselves and create the perception shifts. Not just for me, but for my entire family and having, you know, the, the, the bio energetic testing piece was kind of. Muscle testing and all that into it. It was really just, you know, to help to gain that trust within me and within my my son and with with everything that it is what their subconscious is asking. Like, we're doing the right things. And then my son can. cleared up, obviously it was kind of explained in German medicine, but it's, it was, it had to go deeper than just, yeah, okay, we separated now we are together.

Maria: Let's skin to skin and let's do this. Like it had to go like very deep into the subconscious in order for him to move past certain things. And it all started with our connection to like, our connection had to heal and, and come into a different level. And my depression has lifted completely and my relationship with my daughter improved and my marriage, was kind of on a brink with all the, uh, that we faced, um, that completely transformed and, uh, it was we, we, we came. So basically different people all over, um, with, with, in a pretty short period of time, which was fascinating to live through, and it was a magical transformation. And, um, this whole understanding also transformed the way I work with my clients. I had a practice that grew word of mouth, uh, for years and it was very fulfilling.

Maria: But now that I use, uh, GNM in my practice as well, it's combining like bioinjury testing homeopathy emotional release and helps to really uncover the conflicts and create a clear pathway for the person to heal. And everybody is so unique and individual and everything is all individualized.

Maria: So it requires. It requires a lot of participation and willingness and openness from a person to really go deep, which goes totally against what we are conditioned to believe when we see a practitioner. We just, you know, want to have the path to follow and that's it. And, but we really, just like I was in the beginning, I wasn't ready to really embark on this journey and face the underlying things that are all making sense and connected. So in order to create. Those shifts, we kind of have to sit with the uncomfortable and, um, that's where the shifts happen. So it's, uh, it's been really amazing to, to be part of this whole journey and, to see that everything is, uh, uh, connected, not just physically, but emotionally, energetically, and, and, and I, I can help people to gain that deeper understanding and reach that resolution. And, um, I love what I do and I'm in awe when I run a scan and then when someone reaches out and I get to embark on their journey and and in one way or another, some people come on a full journey and some people just we cross paths and then there's just a brief explanation or a brief conversation and it just really opens up for them.

Maria: And it's just such a fulfilling experience. So, Yeah, well, pretty much this is, this is my story I

Ellen: Wow.

Maria: am, um, you know, fascinated with it and it wasn't a straight path. And that's why I feel like it's so important to say, like, GNM doesn't click for everyone at the 1st, it's not love at first sight and, um, for us to, like, truly understand and, and, and, um, embody this wisdom that Dr.

Maria: Homer brought in, For us, uh, it's, it's like, we have to reach that kind of, uh, understanding of everything.

Ellen: Wow. Thank you so much for sharing all of that. And it seems as though it was a very personal journey for you to embark on initially in order for this to really open up to something that you not only embody, but are able to translate and offer to the people The people that you work with. Um, and it's, it's just interesting as someone, um, who has been in the kind of the healthcare world for the last 10 years or so, um, I've just noticed, yeah, this, this disconnect between.

Ellen: you know, what's happening, whether it be like eczema for someone who's dealing with a skin condition or really any type of disease process or symptomology that's that's surfacing. Um, this, this piece of, of like what's happening with the psyche is something that I've just been very fascinated about. And I think it's led me to German new medicine.

Ellen: Um, But yeah, I could see how for a lot of people approaching Germany medicine, it can feel intimidating. It can feel challenging to like be, be ready and aligned to really receive the information. Um, and so, yeah, I'm curious whenever you're working with clients. What are some of the, the hurdles that you experience with them or, or kind of like the, the unlocking that takes place in order for them to be receptive to tools like German new medicine or, um, the emotional release techniques or, um, anything that's really, it sounds like you have a very, very Um, like holistic approach.

Ellen: You're kind of considering all of these different facets of, um, of healing, but I'm curious, just, yeah, like how, how do you work with someone in order to kind of get them in the right mind frame to be receptive to a tool like German new medicine?

Maria: Um, yes, so that's a very good question. Uh, and I feel like there is, we all come from, with a different background. We all come from a, a, a soup of knowledge that we have acquired over the years and, uh, uh, when it comes to German new medicine, it can be a very, um, of the box for a lot of people. But so is. Bioenergetic testing, like, there's, there's so many modalities, especially when it comes to how emotions impact the body and it kind of we put up a wall with how we were conditioned with allopathic medicine and how we. Solely focus on physiology and nothing else, and we are not taking it into account that there is other forces.

Maria: There is other things that are deeply impactful for us. So, um. When everybody when someone comes to me with a different background with a different kind of knowledge. Um, first of all, I believe that we all resonate towards each other for a reason. Uh, and and I believe that the people who come to me are somewhat ready to, um, kind of receive what I, what I give maybe not fully, but it's 1st step for their. Uh, journey to open their eyes to other things. So I don't really push German new medicine on anyone because I know that I had my own resistance to it when I first came, came with it. So I kind of just put it out there. The way I work with clients is always individualized. So it doesn't matter if someone has a background in German medicine or knows anything about it, or doesn't know anything about it.

Maria: So if someone comes to me with a very solid, rigid, um, background in, uh, Germs pause disease and this is what happens and they want to use bioenergetic testing to kind of show what is going on. I can show that yes, X, Y, Z resonates on the testing, but here is why. And that is

Ellen: Hmm.

Maria: that a lot of people are not able to, uh, voice or interpret. Uh, because they, they don't have that cover, like every base covered and in that sense, like when it comes to, uh, my asthmatic homeopathy, I'm not sure if, uh, the listeners or, or the people who are tuning into this podcast know much about it, but it also is. something similar to what G and M practices. So it goes back into certain emotional patterns and and things like that that have been maybe passed down from generations and have been impacting the person's journey.

Maria: So it's patterns that are, that we are able to pick up on from the subconscious because that's what bioenergy testing is so we, we can translate that to the person and, um, and bring them to where they need to be at this present moment in order to move forward on their journey. So, it's really, you know, depends on where the person is and that's how feel like the approach has to be taken with, um, with everyone.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I would love to hear also a little bit more about my asthmatic homeopathy and, um, kind of how it, how it complements germanew medicine. Cause I, I've, I've been exposed to some homeopathy, but I, I would love to learn a little bit more about, um, its significance in the work that you do.

Maria: Yeah, so, uh, it, it all, uh, connects when, uh, certain, um, It's a kind of complex subject, so we can open a totally different podcast for it if you were open, or we could just connect outside of it and see how it really goes deeper. But to kind of briefly summarize how it connects, it's basically to. What I said before, it just shows those underlying patterns that let's say a remedy comes up on during the testing process.

Maria: And instead of looking at the remedy from classical homeopathy perspective, where you, where you, where you're saying, like, this remedy is used for headaches or nerve pain or, um, digestive issues. We're looking at one step deeper where what is the remedy addressing more on the emotional level? What is the remedy for when on a psychological psychosomatic level and that is very fascinating because the people who? Studied this so it's not just me making it up there's there are people who studied this and they had the provings done and they had all these kind of Um, uh, examples and experiences with that. On a large amount of people, they documented it so we can study how, how, um, this is really, um, what the remedy embodies on a deeper level.

Maria: So when it, when it comes up, I can see that. And then, uh, also with the GNM knowledge, there is certain body parts, organs and systems that come up, uh, Out of balance, so that points us to a conflict and also, uh, it could it could be seen through the testing, whether if it's an active conflict or a healing phase conflict.

Maria: And then we can dive deeper with somatic inquiry, which is also something I use in my practice to kind of like, really formulate those questions that help the. Person to open up and gain a new perspective and have those aha moments and have those, uh, those things. So with everything combined with the deeper understanding of this homeopathy pattern that they resonated with, and then all the other things that they, they, they have shown and shared as well on their intake form.

Maria: But I really, I could do the whole testing and translating process without an intake form. It just gains more. Um, Clarity when there is a little bit of context for me, and then when we have a consultation with my clients after the testing, it's really where, um, things. Are presented in a way that they can really with it and take home their homework, which is usually a list of questions embarking on a journey to unravel that conflict, unravel that pattern, kind of like deconstruct everything.

Maria: So, after that, when they go back into that space where the whole thing started, they can, um, reframe that and become a different person. But not, they don't have to revisit the trauma. They just have to revisit the pattern. If the pattern resonates, then you don't need to learn the trauma. You don't need to go back to the moment where it happened.

Maria: You just need to understand the pattern. And then when you do that, then you are able to ask yourself certain questions that lead you to, is it really true? Is it really me? Do I need to feel this way? What if I Who would I be without this? Because there's also a lot of things that that, um, we carry as conditioning through our life

Ellen: Yeah, what's up, And um, um, hello. Well, and welcome tonight to the the American Summit. My name is Gregory James, and I'm going to be issues of concern I'm going to go ahead and start the recording, and I'm going to go ahead and start the recording.

Maria: bioenergetic testing comes in and shows you what you're ready to work on.

Maria: What your subconscious shows that. This is what your next step is for you right now. And I'm not making this up and you're not making this up. It's your subconscious showing through technology that was created to show us really where you stand and what should be your next step. whether it resonates or not, when it's presented, it's up to the person because some people say like, okay, well, I'm not ready. And that's when the fears come in. And that's, that's when the person can either decide to take a pause and leave or say, I need help. And I need some more guidance. What can you do for me? What can you, how can you help me? And that's when, when people really are vulnerable. In that sense, that's, we allow that deeper shift to happen.

Ellen: Hmm. Wow. That's really it. It just seems as though the work that you're doing with people. It's very profound and deep work because working with the subconscious with all of these emotional patterns that develop over however much time. Um, It's, yeah, it, it's significant in, in reshaping as you spoke to, um, cause I was going to ask about kind of like how you support someone in finding resolution, but that, that reframing and, um, changing the way that we are perceiving our life.

Ellen: Um, yeah, it, it's, it's significant because it changes the way that we're perceiving everything. Um,

Maria: And I really, um, I, I really feel like it has to be said that, that, uh, It was created or we were conditioned to

Ellen: Wow.

Maria: I, I know that I have to do these kinds of things.

Maria: This resonates like, let's unpack and, and, uh, and we, you know, Especially with chronic conditions, we don't feel safe in our bodies. We don't feel we don't have that kind of security that we are okay with the unknown, whatever it may bring, because we are scared. Like, okay, what if I, what if this doesn't help?

Maria: And also, a lot of people I've seen, um, came to me, like, last resort. They have spent a lot of time. Thousands and thousands of dollars they had already been on being seen by any, every practitioner there is and every kind of approach and everything that they tried, they did the reiki, reiki, they, they, the, the, the, the functional medicine.

Maria: They did everything like energy healing, everything, even if it's aligned or not aligned or same or not same. They tried it. And, um, it's very, um. It's a deeply, I deeply connect with those people because I was once in their shoes and I, I feel like when, when that connection is made, and that's why I don't see my clients as like, okay, you were just a number by the test and let's go.

Maria: And then here's your report. Like, there's a lot of bioenergetic testing, uh, Spaces that were created for that kind of thing in mind, like, okay, I do the same report for the same same person. Like, my reports are different for every person and it's not going to be there is a template, but there is not going to be. The same information on it, because it's always different for every person and that's what the beauty is for me. And then that is when you see the person and you feel the person and you connect with the person is when you allow that connection to happen and that relationship to form. For that person to feel safe and supported. And then that that trauma or that conflict is a resolution. So it's kind of like a very complex way to see it because it's not just 1 thing that, um, what I was presented with my son. Oh, it's a separation conflict. But no, it goes way deeper than that. It's complex. But at the same time, it's simple.

Maria: So if it could be complex, When you come from a place of fear and not understanding, but once somebody puts it in a very clear and concise, personalized way. Now, you have the chance to see through that complexity.

Ellen: Yeah, I, it, all the work that you share that you do with, with clients just deeply resonates and that, that feeling of safety is so important because when I imagine that it needs to be established with them when they're working with you in order for them to find it within themselves for that, you know, for that to be established first.

Ellen: Um, and yeah, I, I was reading on your practitioner listing that you specialize in skin conditions. So I'm curious if a lot of the clients that you're working with come to you with skin conditions and, and how, um, Yeah, maybe some commonalities or some, some, just some tangible, practical information that we can share with our listeners about how to approach, um, skin conditions if they're all a separation conflict.

Ellen: And I imagine that there's, you know, a variety of, of, um, presentations or conflicts that, that are involved within skin conditions.

Maria: Uh, yeah, that's that's a great, great topic to to go on. And, um, I'm very glad that you brought that up. Uh, and I do specialize in skin conditions. Uh, but I also kind of opened up my practice to work with a lot of different conditions at the same time, because when I started my practice, I was, um, um, focusing on, you know, helping people who went through, you Similar things that we did or help other families or other moms who are dealing with their Children's skin conditions.

Maria: So I I started working with families with Children who have the same issue, and that was the early days. And then when we started reaching milestones and changes with the Children, then the You know, it's everything is interconnected. So the mom started to embark on their own journey. And then I was there to help with that.

Maria: And they had no skin condition. They had different issues. They had different, um, symptoms. They had different, um, conflicts. They have different work to be done. So when that that reached a resolution, they were, you know, telling it to their friends, like, Oh, You have to go see what is going on with you. And then everything just started to really open up.

Maria: So right now, my practice is more like a, um, open to everyone kind of practice. But I do have a soft spots for skin conditions. And, um, uh, there were some cases that stood out and, uh, I feel like, um, there is the commonality is, um. Is tied to separation conflict, but the it's very abstract because we are also very abstract beings.

Maria: Like, we are the, um, um, like human, we, we biologically we react in conflict in the ways of conflicts, like animals, like other mammals, but. At the same time, we have a very complex way to understand things and perceive things, uh, as if they were a separate separation conflict. So, uh, what might be a separation conflict for 1 child is totally different conflict for another. And, uh, that's why it's so interesting to embark on this journey and really open up and untie certain ribbons and, and deconstruct everything. So, uh, while there are commonalities. Like, as I said, separation conflict in the case of eczema, sometimes I find that it's, it's, it's a little bit more than that. So, um, I have, I, I have this story or client that I was working with. So. going to put it, uh, I'm going to share it so you can have a better understanding of of how everything together and, uh, how we work, how I worked with the mom and the child at the same time. So there was, um. Um, a little girl, I mean, mom with a little girl who came to me and they were, you know, they tried everything and everything was starting to really spiral out of control.

Maria: Just like when what we went through

Ellen: I think

Maria: and

Ellen: we have a little bit of time for questions, so if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us.

Maria: when you dove into the story, um, I. Explained how G and M works. They weren't that much on board. But then, you know, when we really, um, when she really started to open up and shared what happened, uh, I could make it clear what what each symptom and each event brought to this. Soup of conflicts or the conflict load, they like to call it. So the little girls started when they came home from the hospital and when in the perspective, when the symptoms start to show, it's when resolution has happened. Right? So, um. What happened in this particular case that the mom had, um, a traumatic birth, they had a traumatic birth because she had her birth plan.

Maria: It didn't go as, uh, as it was planned. And, um, they had the long labor, the interventions, the pitocin, the emergency C section and everything else, uh, just really sick. Spiraled out and then, um, at birth, she wasn't able to hold the child that the child went to the NICU. And then, um, like for observation, there wasn't really anything wrong.

Maria: It's just, you know, with all the meds the other things that have happened, interventions, they had to monitor the child. So, um, breastfeeding was a struggle and her milk didn't come easy. And then she had issues with letdown. And interestingly, uh, with GNM, like I was able to present it to her that, It all ties together, like milk production, for example, that relates to a nest and worry conflict.

Maria: So, in this case, this traumatic hospital experience that brought that up, it was very unexpected, very out of the blue. It wasn't, she felt alone with it because she wasn't able to, like, really, be there in this, uh, like connect with anyone because it just all happened so fast. And then, um, it created this shock.

Maria: And then, uh, the letdown issues were tied to a separation conflict, but it wasn't coming out as a skin rash because some parts of our, some tissues, they are, uh, Connected to the ectoderm tissues, but not outside on the skin. So the milk ducts, for example, they are ectoderm tissues and they, it could be, uh, and so we, we basically discovered that it was like a bond that she wasn't able to form with the baby because of all the chaos that was surrounding them and then, um, which All led to the next conflict, which is, you know, the guilt, the shame, the, I'm not able to even feed my baby.

Maria: What is going on? The further disconnection they had to supplement with formula, formula, the helplessness, the fear of failure and, and the actual feelings of failure and the guilt and all these things, the stress, the overwhelm, adjusting to new parenthood, they didn't even know what was going on. Like there was no support that was aligned with what they believed in. And they all felt just pushed around. And then when they went home. To their safe place where they could finally regain that kind of control and regain that sense of, um, connection than symptoms started, but they weren't aware of G and M to be able to fully understand what's going on. And so they started the whole cycle of the claims, the doctors, the interventions, and, and it was just continuous trauma for everyone. Um, when they understood and I put it in a way so they can, like, relate to it. And it was more like questions and inquiry. Like, do you, does this resonate that that what do you think of that? Can you reflect on this? And then, uh, like, bringing it to a different perception. And I remember this. Uh, very vividly when that shift happened and like, Oh, my God, really like that's that's it.

Maria: I get the parent, the parents eyes. They were both on the call. The parents eyes like, Wow, wow, that really makes sense. And then they were able to create that safe space for their daughter. They were coming from a place of empowerment and understanding and calmness. of fear. And that was a critical step for them for to reach resolution.

Maria: And then, um, they weren't interfering with the healing face anymore. So it would be able to take its course and, uh, they weren't when a flare happened because it did because it had to cycle out, um, with all the phases that were or the conflicts that were suppressed, they had to, the child had to cycle it out.

Maria: So it wasn't like, Oh, one day to another, you have no eczema. It was, you know, out, but with the understanding that they gained, they were able to witness that in a different way. They were able to be there for her and not just, um, you know, frantically trying to manage the situation. So it was a very interesting and.

Maria: Moving experience when, when we were able to reach that resolution with her just from a G and M perspective. But there was also other things that we did with at the same time. That was helping them to kind of connect the old paradigm with the new 1. so with the bioenergy testing. we cover nutritional imbalances, I can tell based on what comes on the scan, uh, whether if it's a utilization issue with whether the nutrients is having some kind of a metabolic dysfunction or issue presented, uh, or if it's a physically low or physically need to be supported by diet or supplementation, because they're also 2 different things.

Maria: things. Like if it's really physically low and you need some support, then yes, supplement with certain nutrients. But I don't really believe just to throwing everything in there just for the sake of it. If you don't know whether you truly need it or not. in her case, for example, it was vitamin A and magnesium and zinc.

Maria: And that came up on her testing as physically low. So we, one was like the vitamin A, we supplemented, uh, Because it was showing that it was physically low to that level, and it's, um, the magnesium and the zinc, we kind of tied in certain things. So we, we didn't supplement. We used, um, dietary changes. And also we, um, checked what kind of healing phases she's in. So if, if she's in a conflict active phase with some conflict, there is a different nutritional requirement for that. So by that, I mean, if you are in the, uh, if you're running an endoderm program, your body will need more carbs and more fat to help the tissue recover. Whereas you are running, um, more of a, an ectoderm program.

Maria: Um, Yes, an ectoderm program or a different kind of program, you need more protein or you need more fat. And then that, with that understanding, she was able to incorporate the foods that she needed in that particular time. And not just like, oh, you need this or you need protein or you need to. It was very personalized. And we also supported some Systems that she came up with, like the small intestine and the liver that resonated for her. So I didn't come and say to the person like, Oh, her liver is really stressed or her small intestine is really stressed. And tied in in a way that these are the things that are out of balance, maybe because of everything that has happened.

Maria: She's also running some in this area. So we were able to reframe that and, and help support those. Tissues, so the absorption for certain nutrients could be more, um, optimal, and that would also result resolve some of the nutritional imbalances that she had. So it's a really different approach to come in with.

Maria: And then there's

Ellen: Um,

Maria: this, um, remedy that I make for my clients with each scan that, uh, has all the, uh, Resonating frequencies imprinted in it. Basically everything that came up on the testing is used as a frequency remedy to bring it back to the person. So it kind of helps the the body to nudge it in the right direction.

Maria: So they can up certain processes or start certain things or bring up even conflicts to the awareness awareness, certain feelings to the awareness so they could have another chance to process it. Silence.

Ellen: this can be super meaningful whenever they're, Open and receptive to, um, the insight that you offer, not only through the GNM lens, but also through, um, yeah, bioenergetic testing and, and miasmic homeopathy and just like all of the kind of toolkits are the tools in your toolkit that you have.

Ellen: And, um, yeah, recently I was talking to

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: about how

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: so conditioned,

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: with our.

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: our minds to often interrupt that healing process when the body is

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: a conflict and we have these symptoms that are arising, it's, you know, we're kind of conditioned to, to maybe

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: that in a fearful way and be like, Oh, we need to interrupt what's happening in the body because something, you know, something bad is happening because these symptoms are coming up.

Maria: Silence.

Ellen: And what I love about the reframe within German new medicine and, and really the work that you do is to, to create more understanding of why the symptoms are rising and to allow them and create the safety for them to, To take their course, to do what they need to do in order for the body to, to experience resolution.

Maria: Yeah, I mean, it, it's so true and it requires a, um, a completely, uh, A complete switch, like you flip the switch from one thing to another, where you are like, Oh, my God, my, my, my symptoms are flaring and I'm experiencing this and I'm sick or I'm that and then to a totally different side where you are coming and seeing your symptoms is, God.

Maria: Like, thank you, body. Like, this is amazing. Like, I'm, I'm so glad that my body is taking care of me and I'm so glad that I'm built this way. And this brings me to another thing where, um, that, that I, I really share with my clients and I, I, it, it starts to resonate with more and more people that you are your own healer.

Maria: I'm just here to help you guide you to that path where you can truly embody this and, and. And deal with this for the rest of your life on your own with the empowered knowledge that that this whole understanding brings to the table, because no fear has no place at the table when you understand this whole how everything ties together. And, um, that is what creates this profound shift in a lot of families. And then. I really, um, you know, have this vision for the future where a lot of mothers embody this, and then they teach it to their children. And then when they teach it to their children, it really becomes a new way of living and a new way of looking at things.

Maria: And it's, uh, it's sad sometimes to see how Uh, so many, like, 99 percent of the population is so conditioned to believe that what they are experiencing is they don't have the power and they have to look for an outside source to help them. So we're trying to, I think we are brought. Into this world, the practitioners and the people who are waking up to this new understanding, we brought, we are brought to this world to bring that shift forward and and move it forward.

Maria: So believe that everything has an answer and a solution. It's just we need the right guidance to find it.

Ellen: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. That resonates so much in, in my own work, um, in healing professions, just to support people in their empowerment. To. Yeah. Shift from that mindset of, of fear and the need for external, um, yeah, external support, external, and maybe the support. Yes. But like external sources in order for them to heal in order for them to, to, to be okay on their own.

Ellen: Um, and, and shift that to, okay, like I am empowered. I have the power. I, I can find it within myself and, It really changes the paradigm of healthcare from, you know, people going to the doctor every, you know, however often for the rest of their life, because they need to, they need a doctor to validate that their body is healthy

Maria: Right.

Ellen: doing something like work with you, where they receive so many tools and, and a reframe on whatever their circumstances in order to hopefully Yeah, exactly.

Ellen: Be empowered maybe for the rest of their life. And that is so significant.

Maria: Yeah, very significant. And I acknowledge how hard it is, though, to kind of shift that identity within us because tied to so many things. It's tied to culture. It's tied to family. It's tied to our, even our, our Upbringing our parents that it's tied to so many emotions, like, who am I if this is not my reality and to sit with that and to, like, kind of go on that journey is very, um, uncomfortable for most of us.

Maria: And I've seen a lot of people who come to me with a very holistic mindset and, uh, they've done. Their work and they, they, they believe that they are ready for it. And yet, uh, because of all these traumas that they're facing with all the journey that they went through with their health, they are, uh, you know, holding and carrying all this trauma.

Maria: pain from, uh, and shocks to with the diagnosis they received with everything that they've been told about their health all this time. And this uncertainty and chaos that surrounds the medical field or health industry, or I don't know what to say about it because it really is an industry. It's just surrounded by so much chaos that.

Maria: It's, it's like a dark alley that you have to go through to get to a place where it's like, oh, my God, there is light. There is something behind this and and to kind of go through that dark alley with all the rubbish and junk. It's, it's not really a pretty scene for most people,

Ellen: Yeah. And it just speaks to, it reminds me, I don't know if you're familiar with Joseph Campbell, but he speaks to the human. Hero's journey that, you know, each of us is on her own individual hero's journey. And anytime, you know, we watch a movie or we read a book, there, there comes a point in the story where the hero has to face something that's so painful and challenging and traumatic and chaotic.

Maria: right?

Ellen: And, um, that, that doesn't need to be the final answer because the hero will triumph in the end. And so, um, yeah, just, just hearing. Honestly, all that you've shared in our conversation, it. It instills a lot of hope in me and I can imagine for our listeners brings a lot of hope that even though they might be in the dark alley and they might be so desperate and kind of like at their wits end with whatever they're moving through that it doesn't need to have the final say and that, um, it doesn't need to be like the, the end of the story.

Maria: Yes, so true. And one of the things that was really moving for me, and I carried it from my 20s when I was on my personal development journey is that, um, I went on this quest with, um, you know, finding myself and, and, and really, like, Starting to understand who I am and, um, I followed Tony Robbins. I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work.

Maria: I followed him on his life seminars for a year and it was, uh, know, that what he said was life is happening for you, not to you. And it's so true when it comes to. I have, um, gone through all the experiences in my life, and it's it just suddenly comes to a point like, Oh, my God, I understand like that had to happen in order for me to be here and do this.

Maria: And this, the little things that had no meaning at the time they were. Such a big piece in my journey, like how I went to Germany for high school, and it was just like it had to happen for me to do what I do now. And then also, like, the parents that I had the like, everything just ties in so beautifully together.

Maria: And that's why when when wish I could or had the someone to help me realize this when, um. We were in our darkest moments with my son, uh, that that, you know, this is also happening for you. And this is not just something that that, you know, you have to go through. Like, I, I resonated with this quote the other day that said that, uh, these mountains are put here for you. So, you can show other people that, you know. It can be moved. They are not here to stop you. They are not here to create an obstacle for you. They are here because you are able to climb them. You are able to move them and you're able to move past them and then use that strength to really be who you are and who you are meant to be.

Ellen: And yeah, just directly translate to the impact that we have in the world and, and the impact that your work has in the world, like all of the, all of the circumstances of your life perfectly allowed you to be where you are and supporting people in the way that you do. And I just am so excited after, as we, you know, kind of wrap up this conversation.

Ellen: I'm just so excited to hear about the work that you do and. That it is available for people who are looking for, um, yeah, deep resolution, deep healing within themselves. And, um, yeah, I'm just so grateful that you came on the podcast and that you are a part of our collective. And I can imagine that this conversation will be really impactful for anyone who will listen.

Maria: Thank you so much for creating this space. It really is so meaningful that that you're tying these people together. And then I'm so looking forward to see what other practitioners or enthusiasts or even people who are, who have healing journeys that they want to share. They can come on this. and, and really bring it to, um, to light. It's, it's

Ellen: Yeah.

Maria: I'm so grateful that you created this space.

Ellen: Hmm. Thank you. Yeah. Any final thoughts before we close this conversation?

Maria: Um, no, I think we, we went pretty deep and I feel like we have a lot of, uh, uh, things for people to unpack and, um, Yeah, I'm just, I'm just happy to be here. And if anybody wants to embark on this journey, then they know where to find me. So, um, I'll be there in the collective, so join and

Ellen: Yes.

Maria: for, for all the things to unfold.

Maria: Okay.

Ellen: Yes. Yeah. And just to wrap up, um, if you're looking to work with Maria or learn about more of the work that she does, you can find her, um, on our website, the German new medicine collective. com. And then if you would love to interact with Maria, ask her questions, get to know her a little bit, our membership.

Ellen: Space is a great place to do that. And we have, um, space for enthusiasts, those who are new to German new medicine, who would like to learn more about it, um, who are kind of seeking to learn more information as well as. Um, practitioners who are here offering, um, work one on one work, or just offering, uh, ways to learn more about this information and empower people in their own journeys.

Ellen: So thank you so much for, um, joining us on this podcast and, um, yeah, I look forward to, to learning more with you and, um, for you to be a part of our community.

Maria: Thank you so much for having me.

Ellen: You're so welcome.

Ep. 1 Introducing Sarah and Ellen

Exploring Healing and Self-Empowerment through German New Medicine In the inaugural episode of the German New Medicine Collective podcast, hosts Ellen Komoromi and Sarah Hawley delve into their personal journeys of healing and self-empowerment. Ellen shares her background in healthcare, her spiritual awakening, and how these led her to discover German New Medicine (GNM). Sarah recounts her experiences with asthma, detailing her path towards understanding and alleviating her symptoms through GNM and other holistic approaches. The episode underscores the importance of changing belief systems, finding inner peace, and trusting the body's innate healing abilities. It aims to make GNM knowledge accessible, provide empowering stories, and connect listeners with practitioners who can assist them on their healing journeys.